by: Kirby Stokes

At the forefront of modern heavy rock sits FEAR FACTORY, a L.A.-based band whose each successive albums pushes the boundaries of the so-called "NORM." With the release of "DEMANUFACTURE", to say the least, a very intensive album that should reaffirm them as one of the heavyweights. The band consists of Burton C. Bell on vocals, Dino Cazares, guitars, Raymond Herrera, drums, and new bassist, Christiano Olde Wolbers. I recently had the opportunity to talk to modern day riff God, Dino Cazares about...well almost everything, so read on!

ROC: What's the concept behind your new L.P. "DEMANUFACTURE"?

Dino: It's a roughly based story about this one individual's struggle for individuality in a world where technology has taken over and government lies have kind of taken over, and he's fed up with all the bullshit. Each song is a scene in his life, like "Replica" is how he was born, he was conceived through rape. His mother was raped and that's how he was born, and he grew up with all this hatred and anger, and no love in his life. It show how he was brought up, like he has no feelings, kind of like the Terminator. "Demanufacture" is when he gets tired of everything, he's a crazy dude with a gun. At the same time he's a very intelligent individual who knows about technology. He knows he can manipulate technology to his advantage.

ROC: Kind of like the Cyber-Punk movement?

Dino: Exactly! He's an anti-conformity kinda guy. He's not into conformity, he sees society conforming to technology where it's taking over the human race. He's against that, and he's anti-censorship.

ROC: So the technology's not bad, but it's the people who have access to it?

Dino: Yes, exactly. It's how you use it. It's the people who use it to keep other people down. Nowadays manual labor is not going to exist anymore. You're going to be able to walk into a factory and it's going to be like a museum.

ROC: Today computers make computers, and robots make robots.

Dino: We used a lot of technology on this record during the mix-down. See, that's something we believe in to use it to our advantage, not letting it control you.

ROC: Use it as a tool, like "Bodyhammer."

Dino: (laughs) You know what's up. This was a very stressful record. We just got off the Sepultura tour, we had part of "Demanufacture" written, so we were like, "fuck!!" The record label's pushing us for stuff. The fans are like, "when's your new stuff coming out, we saw you come through with Obituary and Sepultura, we really want to hear your new shit." We were really pressured, and when I got back home, I had no home because of the big earthquake. I was going pretty much homeless for awhile, jumping from house to house, and we were trying to write this record, right? And we were like, "fuck!!" Ya know?

ROC: Misery and anger bring out the best in musicians.

Dino: Yeah it does, and I think we did really well channeling our stress, and putting it into the record.

ROC: So how is this Megadeth tour going for Fear Factory?

Dino: It sure beats working in a movie theatre for five bucks an hour. You know, it's not all about money. It's like you guys, you're a non-profit organization, right now, we're a non-profit band. Like, hopefully you'll go on to something bigger, same thing for us. Maybe we'll be headlining someday.

ROC: What we're about is just to educate and organize people not necessarily to be rolling with people.

Dino: See, you guys are against censorship, which is a form of anti-conformity, which is what "Demanufacture" is all about. Not conforming to what this right-wing tells you to conform to. That's what the record is all about.

ROC: Because they have the most to lose.

Dino: Exactly, this record, and what you guys stand for has a lot in common.

ROC: There seems to be hope for this generation as far as a revolutionary movement compared to the '60's and '70's.

Dino: There's definitely a revolutionary movement. We talk about this one individual being a revolutionary leader in a war in the future, or could it be happening now!?!

ROC: So it could be about one individual who makes change happen?

Dino: Exactly! Exactly! For us we put it on CD's. You guys put it on paper, like us on a musical level. MTV? MTV's dictating what the kids should buy, what the market should be.

ROC: MTV's nothing but video payola. That's exactly what it is.

Dino: We actually did a video. We didn't want to, but the label's like "Ah c'mon ya gotta do a video." Because you can't ignore Canada and Europe, places that would play it. We're doing it the old fashioned way, touring, touring, and more touring. It's really cool because when kids buy it they really get into it. "I've seen these guys live!" They've never seen the video on MTV. MTV's like a fad, a fashion. Shit comes and goes, it's like a product. Actually we were on Beavis & Butthead. In Mexico, they loved it, they were slamming to it. (laughs)

ROC: Do you have anything to say about Brujeria?

Dino: Nah.

ROC: Okay, we got the new album the other day.

Dino: Did you really?? Did you like it? We were talking a lot of shit on California Governor Pete Wilson.

ROC: That the whole beginning...

Dino: He got me going (laughs). It's cool because it kinda ties into what Fear Factory's about too. Governor Pete Wilson's passed a law to where Mexican's don't have any citizenship, but he doesn't realize that the Mexican's are the ones who cut all the rich people's grass, work as maids, all the agricultural jobs. It's going to hurt a lot of farmers.

ROC: For sure.

Dino: That's Jello Biafra portraying Governor Pete Wilson on the album.

ROC: WOW!!!!

Dino: Jello stands for all that shit.

ROC: I know that when Brujeria first started out, it was the singles on Alternative Tentacles. Jello's always helped us out. In fact, it was a contribution he made that helped make our last issue possible.

Dino: No way!!! Did he really!?! In Mexico, and those Third World countries their governments are fucked. In Mexico they have these revolutionary fighters...

ROC: Like Chiapas?

Dino: Yeah!!! You know about that!!

ROC: And the fucking New York Stock Exchange.

Dino: There's not too many American white people that know about it.

ROC: What I thought was cool, is when that shit happened, they put that out on the Internet so everybody knew what was going on.

Dino: The cover of the new Brujeria "Raza Odiada" is the leader of the revolutionary fighters. A lot of American people don't know, but people like you, who keep up on things will get it. It's a real political record in Mexico. It's got him on the cover and they call them "Golvos", which means "gophers" in Spanish. They live underground. It talks about revolutionary war, and how they attempted to sign this peace treaty that didn't work.

ROC: What was your take on the Chiapa's?

Dino: It's pretty cruel, scary. I get scared because I have relatives there. Did you ever hear of Pablo Escobar?

ROC: Oh yeah!! Estlo Pancho Villa man!!!

Dino: (laughs)

ROC: Kill three gueros at one time!

Dino: We have a tribute to him. That single goes for $70 bucks in Columbia. His photos on it. It goes for a lot of money. Fear Factory stands for all that, but at a different level.

ROC: What do you think of the militias?

Dino: I think it's a great thing. Too bad it had to come to that, because too many people are getting killed over it. It sucks, In Mexico there's no control over that. They call it "El Pre". That's the government.

ROC: So, what do you think of groups like the P M R C?

Dino: Ahhh come on man, you mean the Premenstrual Retarded Children? (laughs)

ROC: The perfect answer.

Dino: Does the PMRC still exist?

ROC: Yeah, they've just recently announced their big comeback.

Dino: Ahh shit! What's that one Christian guy? (Pat Robertson) That mother fucker, he's a dick! Religion and politics shouldn't mix. This country's going to be too conservative, and it's going to suck. It's going to be harder for us poor people to gain anything, you know? There's probably going to be a revolutionary war in America, unless the American people are too lazy to do anything about it.

ROC: Anything else you would like to say?

Dino: Just, we feel our music has no limitations, and that's how people should be. How they think, and the things they do, and what they listen to.

ROC: Thanks for your time Dino.

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